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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://gabrielcheonglaw.com/a-world-without-fathers-and-husbands/comment-page-1#comment-4885</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 01:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for writing about this!  I love learning about alternate family, sexual styles.  I agree with undrgrndgirl:  many of the alternate family/mating styles around the world would work fine for us!  In fact, maybe some of them, like polyandry or group marriages would work GREAT for us since we have limited living space etc. in urban areas.  Polyandry works wonderfully to limit population growth and make families more economically productive for the people of Himalayan India!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for writing about this!  I love learning about alternate family, sexual styles.  I agree with undrgrndgirl:  many of the alternate family/mating styles around the world would work fine for us!  In fact, maybe some of them, like polyandry or group marriages would work GREAT for us since we have limited living space etc. in urban areas.  Polyandry works wonderfully to limit population growth and make families more economically productive for the people of Himalayan India!</p>
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		<title>By: undrgrndgirl</title>
		<link>http://gabrielcheonglaw.com/a-world-without-fathers-and-husbands/comment-page-1#comment-4705</link>
		<dc:creator>undrgrndgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting article...jean, why do you say this idea would &quot;obviously...not work for us&quot;...i argue that it WOULD work for us...my ex-husband gave up his parental rights 20 years ago...my mother&#039;s family (of course in this culture that does include my father) were instrumental in helping raise my children...but there is NO reason this kind of arrangement couldn&#039;t work here...isn&#039;t it the same with the hopi and/or zuni of new mexico?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting article&#8230;jean, why do you say this idea would &#8220;obviously&#8230;not work for us&#8221;&#8230;i argue that it WOULD work for us&#8230;my ex-husband gave up his parental rights 20 years ago&#8230;my mother&#8217;s family (of course in this culture that does include my father) were instrumental in helping raise my children&#8230;but there is NO reason this kind of arrangement couldn&#8217;t work here&#8230;isn&#8217;t it the same with the hopi and/or zuni of new mexico?</p>
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		<title>By: jean</title>
		<link>http://gabrielcheonglaw.com/a-world-without-fathers-and-husbands/comment-page-1#comment-4663</link>
		<dc:creator>jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Moso Culture is an ancient and isolated one. A good insight into their way of life is &quot;Leaving Mother Lake&quot; by Yang Erche Namu and Christine Mathiew - also a very good read. It is the story of a modern woman raised in this culture - who left and attended the Shanghai Conservatory - and on to life in the &quot;outside&quot; world.

She has nothing bad to say about the Moso. Obviously this culture would not work for us -but like every culture on earth they can teach us something. As for no Fathers being the &quot;cause&quot; of crime -the Moso have NO crime.  Birth rates are low, and promiscuity is rare. They seem to police themselves with respect and kindness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Moso Culture is an ancient and isolated one. A good insight into their way of life is &#8220;Leaving Mother Lake&#8221; by Yang Erche Namu and Christine Mathiew &#8211; also a very good read. It is the story of a modern woman raised in this culture &#8211; who left and attended the Shanghai Conservatory &#8211; and on to life in the &#8220;outside&#8221; world.</p>
<p>She has nothing bad to say about the Moso. Obviously this culture would not work for us -but like every culture on earth they can teach us something. As for no Fathers being the &#8220;cause&#8221; of crime -the Moso have NO crime.  Birth rates are low, and promiscuity is rare. They seem to police themselves with respect and kindness.</p>
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		<title>By: JTk</title>
		<link>http://gabrielcheonglaw.com/a-world-without-fathers-and-husbands/comment-page-1#comment-3178</link>
		<dc:creator>JTk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like the idea of either Moso &quot;authorities&quot; or US &quot;authorities&quot; telling me what I can or can&#039;t do as long as I am not hurting anyone.

I think free people should be able to live freely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like the idea of either Moso &#8220;authorities&#8221; or US &#8220;authorities&#8221; telling me what I can or can&#8217;t do as long as I am not hurting anyone.</p>
<p>I think free people should be able to live freely.</p>
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		<title>By: Mother-Goddess</title>
		<link>http://gabrielcheonglaw.com/a-world-without-fathers-and-husbands/comment-page-1#comment-3155</link>
		<dc:creator>Mother-Goddess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Robert: As a matter of natural law which gives the female the natural advantage of CHOICE in mate (sexual) selection, the family laws of any society should be based on the ancient system of Mother Right. In many cultures this is still the prevailing custom even among Native Americans in the United States. It is known as the principle of Matrilineal descent within the family system where children remain within the kinship network of the maternal family whether or not the biological father is attached to the family. 

Because MATRIMONY which means &quot;Mother-marriage&quot; was invented by women in Western culture as in all other cultures where the custom of marriage exists, logically males are not supposed to dominate the institution of marriage or have so-called equal rights to custody to the detriment of destroying the natural bond between the mother and child. This is because as noted by one of the comments above, the females provide the bulk of resource investment in the child from the initital gestation period onward until the child becomes more independent. 

Furthermore, the bond between the mother and child is supposed to be regarded as sacred and not severed due to male dominance/control issues. The role of the father or husband (if the woman even chooses to marry at all) is to be in a supportive role, contributing his own productive labor (resources) to the well being of the family system, as well as engaging in other nurturing actions which support the well being of the mother and child. 

In any case, it is not psychologically healthy for a child to have to be the center of a &quot;custody battle&quot; either in determing what is the best interest of the child. For the best interest of the child is always first and foremost served by remaining attached to the maternal unless egregious circumstances prevent this. 

If your interest is to foster harmony in domestic relations, then society must recognize the problematic nature of allowing male control pathology to undermine the ancient Matriarchal system which is rooted in the kinship structure and which naturally supports the optimal growth and development of children. Of course the matriarchal system gives women a strong position including decion making authority in the family and larger society. But again, this has to do with the design of nature and is in accordance with natural laws. 

In alignment with natural law, if for whatever reason the union between the female and male is dissolved, the husband/father should be content to remain attached to any offspring sired with the woman through visitation and offering material assistance for the benefit of the well being of the child if that is his true concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Robert: As a matter of natural law which gives the female the natural advantage of CHOICE in mate (sexual) selection, the family laws of any society should be based on the ancient system of Mother Right. In many cultures this is still the prevailing custom even among Native Americans in the United States. It is known as the principle of Matrilineal descent within the family system where children remain within the kinship network of the maternal family whether or not the biological father is attached to the family. </p>
<p>Because MATRIMONY which means &#8220;Mother-marriage&#8221; was invented by women in Western culture as in all other cultures where the custom of marriage exists, logically males are not supposed to dominate the institution of marriage or have so-called equal rights to custody to the detriment of destroying the natural bond between the mother and child. This is because as noted by one of the comments above, the females provide the bulk of resource investment in the child from the initital gestation period onward until the child becomes more independent. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the bond between the mother and child is supposed to be regarded as sacred and not severed due to male dominance/control issues. The role of the father or husband (if the woman even chooses to marry at all) is to be in a supportive role, contributing his own productive labor (resources) to the well being of the family system, as well as engaging in other nurturing actions which support the well being of the mother and child. </p>
<p>In any case, it is not psychologically healthy for a child to have to be the center of a &#8220;custody battle&#8221; either in determing what is the best interest of the child. For the best interest of the child is always first and foremost served by remaining attached to the maternal unless egregious circumstances prevent this. </p>
<p>If your interest is to foster harmony in domestic relations, then society must recognize the problematic nature of allowing male control pathology to undermine the ancient Matriarchal system which is rooted in the kinship structure and which naturally supports the optimal growth and development of children. Of course the matriarchal system gives women a strong position including decion making authority in the family and larger society. But again, this has to do with the design of nature and is in accordance with natural laws. </p>
<p>In alignment with natural law, if for whatever reason the union between the female and male is dissolved, the husband/father should be content to remain attached to any offspring sired with the woman through visitation and offering material assistance for the benefit of the well being of the child if that is his true concern.</p>
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		<title>By: virago</title>
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		<dc:creator>virago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While we’re at it why not only allow white landowners to vote&quot;

Oh, and Robert, depriving a person their right to vote based on race and economics is something that was historically done when MEN HAD ALL THE POWER. Just thought I&#039;d clear that up since you seem so ignorant of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While we’re at it why not only allow white landowners to vote&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, and Robert, depriving a person their right to vote based on race and economics is something that was historically done when MEN HAD ALL THE POWER. Just thought I&#8217;d clear that up since you seem so ignorant of history.</p>
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		<title>By: virago</title>
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		<dc:creator>virago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wow. Weird. We should try that with couples and women here. They have no rights to the child, they cannot have children and start a family when they want either. I bet the man having all the power would work out terrific. While we’re at it why not only allow white landowners to vote.Takes care of civil rights and property tax issues too.&quot;

Are you for real? Did you flunk history or something? Men DID have all the power until fairly recently. In fact, men had all the power for centuries, and we all saw how that worked out.  It&#039;s funny how you bring up the right to vote. How many men were deprived of their right to vote simply because they were men? When men did have all the power, women were deprived of the right to vote, the right to own property if married, WERE CONSIDERED PROPERTY ALONG WITH THEIR CHILDREN OF THEIR HUSBANDS, marital rape wasn&#039;t a crime, wife beating/child abuse was allowed because men had the right to &quot;discipline their families&quot;, women weren&#039;t allowed to go to college, women were kept out of most professions (except domestic service or prostitution).  Women weren&#039;t even allowed to make any decisions about their families or their own lives without permission from some male relative whether it was father/husband, or brother.  Yet, women were expected to pays taxes to a patriarchal government that didn&#039;t recognize them as human beings at all. In fact, women were held responsible for the debts occurred by their husbands. Robert, you complain about men not having any rights to their children, but tell me, where in today&#039;s world (or any culture in the past), do you see a culture where women have all the power, and men are deprived of their rights to the same extent as women have been deprived of their rights simply for being women? Not even cultures like the Mosuo have deprived men of their rights like women have been historically deprived of theirs. 

Btw, most women in Western culture have custody of their children because most women were the PRIMARY CAREGIVERS of their children while married to the fathers of their children. The majority of custody cases are settled out of court with the couple mutually deciding to let mom have custody because dad knows that she&#039;s the one who actually provided most of the care. It&#039;s as simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wow. Weird. We should try that with couples and women here. They have no rights to the child, they cannot have children and start a family when they want either. I bet the man having all the power would work out terrific. While we’re at it why not only allow white landowners to vote.Takes care of civil rights and property tax issues too.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you for real? Did you flunk history or something? Men DID have all the power until fairly recently. In fact, men had all the power for centuries, and we all saw how that worked out.  It&#8217;s funny how you bring up the right to vote. How many men were deprived of their right to vote simply because they were men? When men did have all the power, women were deprived of the right to vote, the right to own property if married, WERE CONSIDERED PROPERTY ALONG WITH THEIR CHILDREN OF THEIR HUSBANDS, marital rape wasn&#8217;t a crime, wife beating/child abuse was allowed because men had the right to &#8220;discipline their families&#8221;, women weren&#8217;t allowed to go to college, women were kept out of most professions (except domestic service or prostitution).  Women weren&#8217;t even allowed to make any decisions about their families or their own lives without permission from some male relative whether it was father/husband, or brother.  Yet, women were expected to pays taxes to a patriarchal government that didn&#8217;t recognize them as human beings at all. In fact, women were held responsible for the debts occurred by their husbands. Robert, you complain about men not having any rights to their children, but tell me, where in today&#8217;s world (or any culture in the past), do you see a culture where women have all the power, and men are deprived of their rights to the same extent as women have been deprived of their rights simply for being women? Not even cultures like the Mosuo have deprived men of their rights like women have been historically deprived of theirs. </p>
<p>Btw, most women in Western culture have custody of their children because most women were the PRIMARY CAREGIVERS of their children while married to the fathers of their children. The majority of custody cases are settled out of court with the couple mutually deciding to let mom have custody because dad knows that she&#8217;s the one who actually provided most of the care. It&#8217;s as simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Domestic Relations are improved when you take away all personal freedoms from the couple and place draconian restrictions on one half of the couples parental rights? Wow. Weird. We should try that with couples and women here.  They have no rights to the child, they cannot have children and start a family when they want either. I bet the man having all the power would work out terrific. While we&#039;re at it why not only allow white landowners to vote. Takes care of civil rights and property tax issues too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Domestic Relations are improved when you take away all personal freedoms from the couple and place draconian restrictions on one half of the couples parental rights? Wow. Weird. We should try that with couples and women here.  They have no rights to the child, they cannot have children and start a family when they want either. I bet the man having all the power would work out terrific. While we&#8217;re at it why not only allow white landowners to vote. Takes care of civil rights and property tax issues too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mother-Goddess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mother-Goddess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also like to point out that fatherlessness is not the culprit in terms of making children vulnerable to crime and poverty, it is the lack of strengthening and supporting motherhood as well as the existence of the western nuclear family model which tends to isolate the mother and child making both her and the child vulnerable to conditions of poverty and exploitation during separation and divorce. 

As the Mosuo example highlights, &quot;social fatherhood&quot; exists with the participation of the male kinfolk and the extended matri-clan family system, which provides both social protection and material support for the women and children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also like to point out that fatherlessness is not the culprit in terms of making children vulnerable to crime and poverty, it is the lack of strengthening and supporting motherhood as well as the existence of the western nuclear family model which tends to isolate the mother and child making both her and the child vulnerable to conditions of poverty and exploitation during separation and divorce. </p>
<p>As the Mosuo example highlights, &#8220;social fatherhood&#8221; exists with the participation of the male kinfolk and the extended matri-clan family system, which provides both social protection and material support for the women and children.</p>
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		<title>By: Mother-Goddess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mother-Goddess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cant cut the mother out of maternal role as she is essential to the existence of the child to begin with. 

Thank you Mr. Cheong, for featuring this article on your family law website.  It is worth noting since the US is a pluralistic nation, with many cultures whose origins are matrilineal-matriarchal, that highlighting and preserving such customs can be a viable means of addressing the problems inherent in the western model of marriage and family structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cant cut the mother out of maternal role as she is essential to the existence of the child to begin with. </p>
<p>Thank you Mr. Cheong, for featuring this article on your family law website.  It is worth noting since the US is a pluralistic nation, with many cultures whose origins are matrilineal-matriarchal, that highlighting and preserving such customs can be a viable means of addressing the problems inherent in the western model of marriage and family structure.</p>
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